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Cutting off your nose to spite your face

Britain has a BNP MEP. This country is screwed...hope the protest voters are happy now. Sigh. From what I've heard, they increase vote rather than their total number of votes, which means that it was people not voting who let them in. No matter how much you're annoyed by the expenses row, the BNP really aren't a better option. Fiddling your expenses isn't quite on the same level as massive racism. (And apparently they can't even try to play the "We're not racist, honest" card - the elected member is a former member of the National Front.

Argh. How depressing.

I'm even more determined that a general election now would be a terrible idea - clearly the British public can't be trusted to have any sort of sense of proportion.

On the other hand, the Apprentice final was good, and it looks like Scotland has kept the same party mix of MEPs (2 Lab, 2 SNP, 1 Con, 1 Lib Dem) even though the vote shares have changed - there was a bit of a worry that UKIP could beat the Lib Dems to a seat. We won't get the final result till tomorrow night for Scotland, though - the Western Isles are refusing to count the votes on a Sunday.



Jun. 7th, 2009 11:39 pm (UTC)
Did you vote? I went to Hillhead Primary and the only person outside there was a lonely man from the Greens. Where the hell was everyone else?

Also: 90% of Yorkshire didn't vote BNP. It's shit but it's not anything like "the country is screwed".

In Central London the Greens got 2 times that of the BNP. A good thing.

Jun. 7th, 2009 11:46 pm (UTC)
Yep - I was the only person in my polling station (that school at the end of Brand St) and there were NO leafleteers. It was 9am, mind you.

I know - the BNP didn't even improve their number of votes, just the proportion. And I'm not blaming Yorkshire! But they're gonna get two MEPs, and UKIP are getting a whole bunch, probably. That's quite screwed.

Yay for London, though.
Jun. 8th, 2009 01:18 am (UTC)
By that assessment declining voter turnouts and general election apathy would indicate we have been screwed for quite some time.
Jun. 8th, 2009 01:39 am (UTC)
Depends if you're judging by intentions or results, I guess. But yes, the political system is very broken and has been for a long time. The one good thing about the expenses thing is that there's a slight chance we'll get PR out of it.
Jun. 8th, 2009 01:44 am (UTC)
Well it is the system thats just let the BNP in to Europe remember...

Proporotional representation likely isn't the magic bullet people seem to think it is... At least IMO.
Jun. 8th, 2009 02:00 am (UTC)
Yeah, I know. It's got drawbacks, notably that a lot of people are fascist idiots ;) Still better than FPTP, though.
Jun. 8th, 2009 10:06 pm (UTC)
Not as good as Single Transferable Vote, I think. STV does a very close job of approximating the real will of the people but without handing huge amounts of power to toadying party loyalists and fringe parties in coalitions.

Jun. 8th, 2009 10:53 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I'm not a huge fan of the list system. I used to know more about all the PR options; must go look them up again...
Jun. 8th, 2009 08:17 am (UTC)
"The BNP didn't even improve their number of votes, just the proportion"

I fear we are going to hear this a lot in the next few weeks, and true as it may be, it is just going to look like sour grapes to anyone that even thought of voting BNP.

I didn't even consider voting for them, but I can see how they will try and spin this with everyone insinuating that it wasn't a real victory and they only won anything because of voter apathy.

I think if we're not careful and try and take a condescending view of what they achieved, it is likely to piss off more people and drive more votes towards them - people like an underdog.

Jun. 8th, 2009 08:43 pm (UTC)
I'm not sure if I care enough about how the BNP will spin things to avoid stating facts. In fact, I know that I don't want to be silenced by them.

I know what you're saying about being condescending and so on, but I think people are actually more consoling themselves about the result than trying to put the BNP down. And if anyone is pushed to voting BNP by something as petty as that, then something else was going to push them to it before the next election anyway.
Jun. 9th, 2009 08:11 am (UTC)
I'm definitely not saying anyone should be silenced by them.

There needs to be more engagement from the other parties on the subjects the public want to talk about, immigration being one of them. At the moment it is effectively ignored, or we're told it's for out own good, now stop being racist. We know best.

There was a rather good example of this on the BBC breakfast news this morning. A talking head was brought in to discuss the election results, and an emailed question regarding immigration was put to him. He ducked the question entirely and attacked Nick Griffin.

Jun. 8th, 2009 08:25 am (UTC)
90% of Yorkshire didn't vote BNP
~60% of Yorkshire didn't vote. Argh.
Jun. 8th, 2009 08:44 pm (UTC)
Which means that about 96% of Yorkshire didn't vote BNP. Hurray?
Jun. 8th, 2009 08:51 pm (UTC)
I guess. But the 60+% who didn't vote should sit down and have a long hard think about the consequences of their actions. </end Mummy voice>
Jun. 8th, 2009 08:53 pm (UTC)
Yup. I know too many otherwise smart people who didn't vote :S


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