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Ah, remember I said the Church had managed to do something right, and uphold the appointment of a gay minister? The world has gone back to normal - they've screwed it up again. In a debate on sexuality in the church today, they've decided to have a two-year ban on any more gay ministers being appointed, while they set up yet another commission on the matter. (The first commission was in 1994 - I think they keep coming back with the wrong answers.)

The Reverend Angus Morrison told elders and fellow ministers that the special commission would best serve the "peace and unity" of the church.

Well, in as much as it puts off the issue for another two years. Pity it doesn't serve, you know, justice or equality or anything like that.

In the meantime, they've told their members not to discuss the issue with the media, because as we all know, if you don't talk about it, it goes away.

The measure met with an angry reaction from the Reverend Alec Shuttleworth, who compared it to MPs who like to "blame the media" for the current expenses row.

Hurray for Alec! I was round at his house for pre-Christmas mince pies and snacks last year, somewhat randomly, so I'm glad I approve of his stance on the matter.

I'm not sure what'll happen now - whether the issue will actually go away again, or whether it'll rumble on in letters pages and presbytery meetings for two years. They're going to have to make a decision eventually. Maybe they're hoping some of the hard-liners will die off in the meantime.

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(Anonymous)
May. 26th, 2009 08:38 am (UTC)
だって、ああいうセレブ系?の草月の男性の先生たちを見てると、草月では異端扱いされてるし、実力も経験もたいしたことなくても、they know how to produce themselves to be favored by media and mass.
つまり、そういうのを見ると、時代が明らかに違っていて、私の場合、女性ということで、日本にはそのチャンスはなくて、NYでは、そういうチャンスもあるということについて、いろいろと考えてしまったりする。
それに、いけばなだけじゃなくて、cookingとかいろいろなことやりたい。
だから、将来を考えて、自分の夢を描けないことに情熱と時間とお金をつぎ込むことに疑問を感じている。
(Anonymous)
May. 26th, 2009 08:39 am (UTC)
But I would rather keep learning Ikebana, as it may help me someday.
pisica
May. 26th, 2009 08:42 am (UTC)
Maybe they're hoping some of the hard-liners will die off in the meantime.

I doubt it. Pure evil keeps people alive forever.

I had to return some books to the New College Library, but there weren't any obvious bigots (i.e. anyone holding up 'Adam and Steve' placards) so I refrained from shouting.
pickwick
May. 26th, 2009 01:31 pm (UTC)
I doubt it. Pure evil keeps people alive forever.

Seemingly true, that. I wonder how many commissions they can set up before they have to make a decision.
(Anonymous)
May. 26th, 2009 08:50 am (UTC)
で、いけばなはNYのゲイの草月の先生に習う?
(Anonymous)
May. 26th, 2009 08:51 am (UTC)
いけばな、どうしよ。
お料理は、ロンドンにるいるいといるときに、パリやロンドンで習えばいい。
(Anonymous)
May. 26th, 2009 08:53 am (UTC)
Just to get advanced license, should I take lessons from master instructor in Hawaii?
luckykaa
May. 26th, 2009 08:55 am (UTC)
I think that's pretty much it.

My guess is that most people genuinely don't care that much. There are just a few hardliners (usually the older members). Unfortunately the ones that do care are the ones with votes in the general assembly.

There's a very real chance that the debate would lead to a long term ban on gay ministers. This isn't the best outcome, but it's probably the most practical in political terms. This way the church has two years to demonstrate their gay poster child and how the church hasn't collapsed as a result.
pisica
May. 26th, 2009 09:41 am (UTC)
Yeah, kind of like how resistance in Massachusetts broke down when people realized the universe didn't end AND those two really nice young men next door shoveled her driveway when it snowed.
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(Anonymous)
May. 26th, 2009 08:55 am (UTC)
この件については、ほんとにどうすればよいのか、わかんない。
NYだったら、誰に習えばいいか、わかるけど。
つまり、いけばなを続けるって難しいかも。
(Anonymous)
May. 26th, 2009 08:57 am (UTC)
もうすぐ2級師範のライセンスがとれるから、それはとろう。
(Anonymous)
May. 26th, 2009 08:59 am (UTC)
ハワイで他の先生に習う?
pmoodie
May. 26th, 2009 09:17 am (UTC)
Woah! The spambots have you in their sights! O_O

Churches seem determined to prove themselves completely irrelevant to life in the 21st century, don't they?
pickwick
May. 26th, 2009 01:35 pm (UTC)
I have the best spambots. I think I'm going to keep these ones. They're cute. "It's nice that RuiRui is happy to see the boobs," indeed!

Yep, and alienate as many people as possible, to keep their congregations falling fast.
(Anonymous)
May. 26th, 2009 10:13 am (UTC)
たしかに、よく見ると、みんなシリコンのきれいなおっぱい。
やっぱり細くておっぱいだけ大きい、しかも形がきれいって、
結局、そういうことなのよね~
(Anonymous)
May. 26th, 2009 10:13 am (UTC)
It's nice that RuiRui is happy to see the boobs.
(Anonymous)
May. 26th, 2009 10:44 am (UTC)
いきなりプッチのfabricでドレスをつくるなんて。
weeklyだから、2か月くらいかければ作れるかも?
(Anonymous)
May. 30th, 2009 06:21 pm (UTC)
Church of scotland debate
I'm very interested in the fact that

a: you enjoyed a mince pie at my house last year, randomly

b: you are able to support the stance I took

c: you actually know what I think about the whole thing.

all of which is great if consfusing, because I can't work out who you are.
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