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Doctor Who 4.13 Journey's End

I'll do a proper write-up later, but the EPIC YAYS vastly overwhelmed the WTFs and the Dohs.

  • WILF
  • Nine people in the Tardis, six of them driving
  • Sarah Jane! K-9! Luke! Oh, and great as School Reunion was, Sarah Jane was redeemed from being the kind of needy chick waiting around from the Doctor, this time.
  • Jackie! Mickey (no mention of poor Jake?)! Martha! And that's what we wanted for Torchwood next year. Hurray! (Now I'm imagining Jackie in Torchwood. Hee. But she's in the other universe...ah well.)
  • Davros baring the Doctor's soul - he was right about the Doctor eschewing weapons but surrounding himself with people who make themselves into soldiers for him; many people have pointed it out here. Interesting that the Doctor did pick up the gun (er, thing) and go to use it, but failed. Maybe he's just bad with them.
  • The Doctor and Rose recognising Gwen - very like the explanation of Tosh & the space pig in the Torchwood finale, but still YAY.
  • Oh, Torchwood's force field thing. A present from Tosh!
  • Either the plotting of the whole arc, or the slotting in references - whichever way round it was, it was very nicely done. I realised about the Ood song before the Doctor, and I did like theDoctorDonna.
  • Even-handed treatment of the companions, and all the extended cast had important things to do, and they all interacted well - loved it. Martha's reaction to Rose was great.
  • Rose will have her together foreverandever tru wuv with...theDoctorDonna. Hee.
  • The bleakness of the explanation of the Osterhagen Key (and also, I've just realised, the way they managed to mislead the fans with the "Earth's Gone" anagram - everyone thought it was a reference to the stolen Earth, but it was actually, you know, *Earth's gone*.)
  • German Daleks. They're a bit WTF as well, but hee!
  • Dalek Caan - a Dalek traitor! Also the actor was great.
  • DONNA. WAAAH. But also WTF, slightly. A little bit hand-wavey, saved entirely by Bernard Cribbins. And the fact that the Doctor took her home.

  • A part-Time Lord brain makes a human explode, but a part-human brain just makes a Time Lord age? I'm assuming DoctorDonna is also a bit...slower than the Doctor, which should make it easier for him to "settle down" with Rose.
  • Well, most of the skience, frankly, but that's normal. All the stuff DonnaDoctor did was well hand-wavey, but that was kind of the point. Does that exempt it from deus ex machina status? Who knows.
  • Wasn't the Tardis supposed to be able to defend herself when threatened or something? And are Tardises made up of Time Lord stuff, or do the CGI guys only have one kind of "gold and glowy" effect? Because Tardis Rose looked like Time Lord Donna...
  • Why was there that heartbeat around Donna? Also, and this is a good WTF, Donna's flashing ring at the end resonates (metaphorically) with the ring picked up at the end of S3 by Probably Lucy.
  • I might just have missed this, but did it ever say who or what was doing all the pre-ordaining and destiny-fulfilling, and causing all the coincidences with Donna and so on? Was it Caan? He's more powerful than he seems, then. Must watch again.

  • The cliffhanger resolution was pants. Almost as bad as the Cyberman two-parter one from a couple of seasons ago. "I'm regenerating, I'm regenerating...no I'm not. Never mind."
  • Fanfic Doctor/Rose. I'm not going to bitch too much about it because it was better than I realistically expected from RTD, and I liked that the real Doctor didn't even consider going with Rose. And it was shorter than the end of Doomsday, and hopefully that's the end of the Rose arc. (If she comes back in 20 years, I may have enthusiasm for her again.) Heh, and I LOLed when I realised they were wearing matching outfits.
  • I would have liked Donna to have knowingly sacrificed her memories. She was heroic anyway, but...you know, I'm not sure you can inadvertantly make a noble sacrifice.

Ha. So yeah, I liked it, then. Possibly more thoughts in actual paragraph form later.



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Jul. 5th, 2008 09:32 pm (UTC)
'noble' sacrifice! ha.

took the heartbeat to being the hand regeneratory thing.
Jul. 5th, 2008 09:35 pm (UTC)
It must be connected to it, but we heard a heartbeat last week too, apparently. Not that I noticed it at the time.
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Jul. 5th, 2008 09:42 pm (UTC)
Of course there's a great ficwindow - what did DoctorDonna and MortalBlueDonnaDoctor get up to on the Tardis while they were dreaming up their plan... ;P

Something I stated elsewhere: Wilf was a Parachute Regiment NCO (check the wings on his hat - as was Cribbins actually). Their job is to build up confidence... And now he knows what Donna's capable of... he won't ever tell her what she did. But he knows what she can do, and will help her to do it and crawl out from under her mother's disapproval. Maybe she'll be something like a Doctorless version of the Donna who "saw the bigger picture" in Partners in Crime. And is Sylvia the ultimate RTD middle-aged woman villain? ;)
Jul. 5th, 2008 09:48 pm (UTC)
Heee hee hee. Yes. Hopefully they thought up another cunning plan and are just trying to outsmart the universe. I think what annoys me in Who is that when something bad happens, they tend to be a bit "Oh dear... *angst* Well, there's nothing we can do, never mind, carry on." Whereas in shows like Buffy, if something bad happens to a main character, they'll find a way to fix it/ work round it. Or at least give it a damn good try.

I do like that thought about Wilf, though. Donna can be awesome again, hurray! And I wasn't surprised when the German lady pulled the gun, because...middle-aged woman...
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Jul. 5th, 2008 09:43 pm (UTC)
1. Dalek Caan was said to have done all of the timey-wimey stuff so that Donna was there to finally defeat them. He'd seen what the Daleks had done and was sickened by it; so he helped them, but by doing so ensured their ultimate destruction. I thought that was a wonderful plot.

2. Wilf is now one of my most favourite Who characters ever.

3. The cliffhanger resolution was pants, but tbh they had a lot to stuff in one episode and I'm kinda glad we got to know what happened straight away. xD

4. It was really funny what Davros said about the Doctor, because just this afternoon I watched Sylvestor blow up a Dalek with two cans of Ace's nitro-9, LOL. xD It made me secretly smile to myself. :3
Jul. 5th, 2008 09:52 pm (UTC)
1. Oh, yeah, I did like that. Too much stuff in this ep, bits are dribbling out of my head! And I suppose Caan did spend an unspecified amount of time zipping around time and space...

2. Yes, absolutely. He's made quite a few episodes this series AWESOME instead of just Excellent.

3. Well, true, I was only annoyed about it for a split second and then we were off doing other things!

4. Hee :D
Jul. 5th, 2008 09:47 pm (UTC)
One presumes that the proportion of TimeLord to human is greater in DoctorDonna than in DonnaDoctor. Hence the difference in mind capacity.

The heartbeat was the single heartbeat of the DoctorDonna, which due to quantum had washed back in time a bit, so Donna heard it in previous eps.

It was Dalek Caan who (having seen Time itself) manipulated the timelines. We know Davros escapes (doh!) but Caan .... ?
Jul. 5th, 2008 09:54 pm (UTC)
I was obviously paying attention to all the fanboy-pleasing extra bits and ignoring the plot :D

I kind of hope Caan is still around. Or at least that they bump into him at a different stage of his timeline, or something. I liked him.
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Jul. 5th, 2008 09:49 pm (UTC)
The doctor explained the heartbeat soon after he told donna he only had one heart. it was his heart beating she was hearing echoing through the hand and the fact the half human half timelord was a bit unique and she was connected to the whole thing.

I am sure that the doc blamed Caan for the time manipulation to ensure the dalek race was destroyed for good (for the (x)th time)

Yeah, i was beginning to object to the constant hand waveyness of the donna keeping fixing everything by tapping a couple buttons. Once, yes, twice, stretching it, by the 5th or 6th hand wave it became Deux Ex Machina but subdued enough that i didn't bristle, too much.
Jul. 5th, 2008 09:57 pm (UTC)
Ah, I love trying to figure out what's metaphorical and what's real and what's soundtrack and what's in-universe noise, hee! It was the fact that we heard the heartbeat last week I was confused about, but that has been explained.

Hmm. Has RTD written all the Dalek eps of the past four years? Oh, no, Rob Shearman did the first one, but apart from that I think he might have. Maybe Moffat won't be as addicted to them.
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Jul. 6th, 2008 02:49 am (UTC)
I did not like that she did not -willingly- give it up for the doctor. Surely better death than that.

Poor Donna.
Jul. 6th, 2008 08:26 am (UTC)
Osterhagen... didn't notice the anagram. Cool.

German daleks were awesome.
Jul. 6th, 2008 03:46 pm (UTC)
I liked Martha's reaction to Rose too - no jealousy at all, just 'Hey, great, it's that woman he was in love with!' She seems to have moved from being in unrequited love with the Doctor, to having a strong friendship with him instead.

Donna's memories, as I see it, weren't sacrified in order to save the world or whatever, they were sacrificed in order to save Donna. I have a feeling she would willingly have sacrificed them in order to save the Doctor/the world/her Mum and Wilf/whatever, whereas sacrificing them to save herself was something she wasn't willing to do (but of course was given no choice by the Doctor)

Rose could, of course, have stayed in our universe... Obviously she wouldn't want to leave her Mum and Dad behind, but she did have that option. It might be interesting to come back to Rose in a series or two and see what happens with her and the other doctor.

Jul. 6th, 2008 09:16 pm (UTC)
She also has a brother, a job and I'm assuming friends. Not to mention, Rose is dead in 'our' world, officially. She couldn't stay, really.
Jul. 6th, 2008 09:15 pm (UTC)
Thank you for recognising the Donna part of DoctorDonna. Way too many people are conveniently dropping that element of the Blue!Doctor/Rose ship.
Jul. 6th, 2008 09:34 pm (UTC)
I loved the cliffhanger resolution. Perfectly disposable in 3 seconds and 5 seconds of handwaving. I was giggling to myself :->
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