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You cheap lousy faggots

So yesterday, Radio 1 decided they were going to censor Fairytale of New York, specifically "you cheap lousy faggot" and "you're an old slut on junk". After a "public outcry", today they've changed their minds. Idiots. Even Radio 2 were like, "Er, no, we'll just be playing it normally..." I don't know when I started using this icon sarcastically instead of meaning it, but it's a real shame. It still annoys me when people start complaining about this kind of thing being "political correctness" now, because I'm not sure it is. But then, "political correctness" doesn't really mean anything in the first place.

I have dug out my one and only Christmas CD, the XFM "It's a Cool, Cool Christmas" album. It's eight years old now, but it's still fab. Eels! Belle and Sebastian! Flaming Lips! Low! Lauren Laverne! Oh, actually, I think I downloaded some punk Christmas stuff last year. Hmm.

On Friday I'm going to some concert or other at the Royal Concert Hall, which I think will be good [Edit: Singalong Christmas Carols = good! Host Craig Hill = bad!], and then to the late-night showing of Nightmare Before Christmas in 3D, at Cineworld. Anyone who fancies coming along to the latter should do so! It's at 23.20, and I doubt it'll be sold out...


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Dec. 18th, 2007 06:20 pm (UTC)
And he's supposed to be the young, trendy, in-touch one, too! Fabulous!
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Dec. 18th, 2007 07:42 pm (UTC)
That would be annoying, indeed! I can't believe he's done something so dumb on his first day out. Because commenting publicly on a controversial song you haven't heard or a film you haven't seen is just dumb, no matter what you say about it.
Dec. 18th, 2007 07:59 pm (UTC)

Where, when? And how can anyone living in this country not know that song? I mean, it's pretty much impossible to avoid it at this time of year.

I didn't get around to voting, I was in the "don't care" camp, but still, that's just...
Dec. 18th, 2007 06:30 pm (UTC)
Everywhere It's Christmas, you know. :)

Edited at 2007-12-18 06:30 pm (UTC)
Dec. 18th, 2007 06:32 pm (UTC)
Oooooh. Now there's a point. See this moving house thing, it's a pain. *goes to hunt for Greg's CD*
Dec. 18th, 2007 06:34 pm (UTC)
Sad to say that, despite having moved into my house ~5 years ago, there are still boxes which haven't been properly unpacked and sorted.

<-- fails at unpacking

Dec. 18th, 2007 06:36 pm (UTC)
I only have, um, three big boxes and a couple of bags that haven't been unpacked yet, although they have been rummaged through a few times!

I have found four other CDs of yours, but not the Christmas one. And I can just picture where it sat in my old flat, too, because it was near my computer for ages. Dammit.
Dec. 18th, 2007 06:37 pm (UTC)
A-ha! Found it! Awesome.
Dec. 18th, 2007 07:15 pm (UTC)
w00t! (as they say in Merriam's...)
Dec. 18th, 2007 07:17 pm (UTC)
Damn, that Shane MacGowan is one scary looking man.
Dec. 18th, 2007 07:46 pm (UTC)
He is. I've always kind of wanted to see him and Mark E Smith in the same room.
Dec. 18th, 2007 07:51 pm (UTC)
Dec. 19th, 2007 11:33 am (UTC)
Is this in the same way that I want to see David Tennant snog Catherine Tate?

Not to actually see it, but to see the resulting explosions on the internet...
Dec. 18th, 2007 10:10 pm (UTC)
You know, the sad thing is, I cannot tell which side you are supposed to "obviously" have come down on. *facepalm* But um. I am one of those people who (although the song sounds rather fabulous) the actual word f&*!@ etc makes me a little ill to my stomach. And although swears and so forth are fine on the radio, I would be okay with having that word censored.

*shrugs, scuttles off to her hole*
Dec. 18th, 2007 10:55 pm (UTC)
Heh, in this case I'm anti-censorship. I think it might be partially a US/UK thing though - "faggot" is much less common over here as an insult, and a pretty recent import. A large proportion of the population would probably think of the word as meaning meatballs, or wood for a fire, before they thought of the offensive meaning.

Here's the song - it's regularly voted in the top five Christmas songs in Britain, even though it's not really a Christmas song at all.
Dec. 18th, 2007 10:59 pm (UTC)
Or not even a different-countries thing! I'm from San Francisco, and it's just not said here, whereas elsewhere in the country (as I'm coming to realise XD) it's ... basically a descriptive term. SO.

(Also this song is AWESOME.)
Dec. 19th, 2007 12:40 am (UTC)
In a nutshell, PC is attempts to avoid using terms that people find offensive.

Censoring those terms, in the USA anyway, is completely PC.
Dec. 19th, 2007 11:35 am (UTC)
In it's most basic form, PC is politeness.

I would never, ever use the word faggot, because it's pretty much now inherently offensive.

But I wouldn't censor the song, because it's a cultural artefact, and it's not meant as an anti-gay term in its usage in the song - at least not as an attack on gay people.
Dec. 19th, 2007 03:58 pm (UTC)
I disagree. It's not politeness at all, at least not in the way I use the word.

It does have value in making us recognize some behaviors that aren't very desirable, but taken to the extreme it is, like anything else, stupid.
Dec. 19th, 2007 01:54 pm (UTC)
As a sort-of aside, I think part of the problem with political correctness is its name. If it was called what it is (in theory, at least) "politeness" or "common courtesy" then it wouldn't be such a controversial issue. But because it's called "Political Correctness" it's taken on some sort of Orwellian tinge and it's become associated with the political left meaning that the political right of all stripes feel some sort of need to be sceptical of it or fight against it (environmentalism and, on the other side of the fence, free-market economics have the same problem) even though many of them (well, liberal conservatives anyway) know that's it's basically in the right even if it can overstep the mark sometimes.

As for the censoring of "Fairy Tale Of New York", I think what's interesting in this instance is that if terms like "faggot" and "old slut on junk" appeared in a new record and Radio One censored them then no one would raise an eyebrow. It's because this song is part of Christmas tradition now and people are used to hearing it uncensored that the sudden butchering of it grates more than it would in other circumstances. It's rather a case of shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted too, "faggot", "slut" and "junk" have been offensive or family-unfriendly terms for years.
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