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If anyone else isn't out on a Saturday night, there is a QI marathon on, er, Dave. I really object to a TV channel called Dave, because it makes me feel like an idiot to talk about it. But anyway, first series of QI on right now, and tomorrow night. The whole channel looks good, actually - HIGNFY, Buzzcocks, Whose Line, Top Gear, QI...

I'm not really sure what my opinion on the big news of the day is. I'm talking about Dumbledore being gay, of course - I'm aware there's some sort of rugby thing on, but that's about the limit of my knowledge. Or interest. It seems very likely that if JKR is telling the truth about knowing all along Dumbledore was gay, then given the plot of the seventh book, she must have specifically chosen to not mention it, because it would actually have fit in beautifully with the plot. And she probably did it so as not to harm her sales. But if that means she's managed to sneak books with a gay hero in them into the houses of children whose parents would disapprove, I kind of admire that. Hmm. But also, it's got her back in the papers, hasn't it?

Ah, I must go back to watching QI.

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endless_psych
Oct. 20th, 2007 05:15 pm (UTC)
Interesting interpretation of the Dumbledore thing... Personally given that there was no mention of the fact he was gay that it was probably a fairly cynical marketing ploy to boost sales via the pink pound.
pickwick
Oct. 20th, 2007 05:29 pm (UTC)
Heh, or via fandom. I dunno, I can't imagine it would make much difference - most of the gay people I know either already read Harry Potter, or wouldn't dream of it even now.

Another possible reason is to head off the criticism she received from some places when she got through the whole series without any gayness.
redatt
Oct. 20th, 2007 05:35 pm (UTC)
Or maybe she was just answering a question put to her with a piece of back story she's always had in head/notes. Golly, it really does surprise me just how completely un-cynical I am about JKR.
pickwick
Oct. 20th, 2007 05:42 pm (UTC)
It just seems odd that she wouldn't have put it in, because I do think it would have made sense. It explains more about Dumbledore's ideas and behaviour in the 40s, which is something that Harry had worried about through the whole book.
marysiak
Oct. 22nd, 2007 06:17 am (UTC)
But given that the book is generally told from Harry's point of view I really don't see any reason for it to come up. Generally teachers don't discuss their love life with their students and I doubt Dumbledore was in any hurry to discuss the disaster that was his crush on Grindelwald. I think in order to explicitly state it would have required some real shoe horning.
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gwinniegirl
Oct. 21st, 2007 06:14 am (UTC)
I think it's more along these lines, actually.
pickwick
Oct. 21st, 2007 04:06 pm (UTC)
Which is icky. And also very out of character for Dumbledore, annoyingly. Bah. Never mind.
redatt
Oct. 20th, 2007 05:46 pm (UTC)
OMG! There's a clicky on the splash of that site that invites one to "Enter Dave".
pickwick
Oct. 20th, 2007 05:52 pm (UTC)
Urk. *scrubs brain*

I'm very pleased with my icons tonight, they seem appropriate!
gwinniegirl
Oct. 21st, 2007 06:13 am (UTC)
I've heard it suggested that Dave stands for "Dull (or was it "dumbed-down"?) and Vacuous Entertainment". Read it on a forum - someone also states:

"Dave" is simply UKG2 (or UK Gold 2) rebranded with a really dumb name. However, the actual output in terms of programming is practically the same as before.

It seems okay to me, but I think it's mainly aimed at guys.

Re-Dumbledore: I guess she did the right thing not making DD come out (although I wouldn't have thought that JKR's immediate audience would be that bothered - it's parents and teachers who would probably have difficulties with it). The right thing for her accountant, that is, not necessarily for the books. :)

pickwick
Oct. 21st, 2007 04:08 pm (UTC)
It looks quite good to me, but I'd generally rather watch bloke telly than girl telly! Looks a billion times better than BBC3 anyway - that is dumbed down telly :D

The audience at the Q&A JKR was at gave her an impromptu standing ovation when she said Dumbledore was gay, so yeah, not a problem for her immediate fanbase :) But yeah, parents and teachers, specially in America - I could see people trying to get it banned from schools.
gwinniegirl
Oct. 23rd, 2007 06:44 am (UTC)
Especially given that some Americans are so appalled by HP and the fact that he does magic/kisses girls/whatever, that someone over there has already come up with a Christian Harry Potter who doesn't do magic. No, I'm not bullshitting you, I read it in a newspaper over there just shortly before I went into hospital. The trilogy's called The Door Within and has no references to spells, wizardry or anything else that seems unchristian. That's a link to Amazon, which mentions C.S. Lewis, so it's possibly along a similar line to his books. I am almost curious to read it. Well, that is, I would be if it weren't for the fact that it seems such backward thing to do - write and release a new book focusing on Christian ideals because you don't like the original. The whole reason kids and adults like HP is the magical aspect of the stories. If that wasn't a part of it, I certainly wouldn't watch/read HP.
elaby
Oct. 28th, 2007 12:28 pm (UTC)
It seems very likely that if JKR is telling the truth about knowing all along Dumbledore was gay, then given the plot of the seventh book, she must have specifically chosen to not mention it, because it would actually have fit in beautifully with the plot. And she probably did it so as not to harm her sales. But if that means she's managed to sneak books with a gay hero in them into the houses of children whose parents would disapprove, I kind of admire that.

I very much agree with you :) I think it would have fit in very well with the plot (though someone in the comments did make the good point that Dumbledore probably wouldn't have had much reason to let Harry know about it, considering the Harry POV narration). Some people have said it would have been extraneous, but I think it would have added motivation and clarified a lot of things about why Dumbledore did what he did.

I also agree with your admiration :)
spiderpixie
Oct. 30th, 2007 02:52 pm (UTC)
We love Dave, so much that I have attempted HTML for the first time in years :) My brother, his mate and I were discussing how Dave has all the best progs, QI, Top Gear, Ray Mears. Dave simply rocks. I like confusing people by referring to Dave like a friend, but I have a baby. I don't get out much :P

Hope you're well hon!
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