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I have wandered, I have rambled

First off, happy birthday to dakegra - have a great one! With lots of coffee and also cake.

I see Gordon Brown's been scaremongering about Scottish nationalism again. There are problems with nationalism, but anyone who's tempted to just believe Gordon's "The sky is falling!!!" words of doom should remember that for him an independent Scotland would be a nightmare, because it would mean he wouldn't get to be UK PM.

The article says:

"It is very important to recognise that Britishness and Britain itself is not based on ethnicity and race," he said.

"It is founded on shared values that we hold in common: a commitment to liberty for all, a commitment to social responsibility shown by all, and a commitment to fairness to all."

He said there was now a dividing line in Britain which pitted "those of us who are prepared to support the shared values of the union" and "those who are prepared to play fast and loose with the union and put the whole future of the union at risk".


I wanted to comment on this because it's a new application of something that tends to pop up in discussions about religion, and annoys me every time. He's taking some general qualities or values, saying that they apply to people of the UK, and then making the completely inaccurate and rhetoric-based jump that they don't apply to anyone else, and that us people who have them should stick together. I'm sure he doesn't really think that only people in the UK have a commitment to liberty, social responsibility and fairness (and I'm almost sure he's not naive enough to think that everyone in the UK shares these commitments, either), yet he's saying "We should stick together because we have these values", implying that nobody else does.

He says there's a straight divide between "supporting the shared values of the union" and "putting the future of the union at risk", thus implying that it's impossible to be an independence supporter who also has these values. He is, in fact, turning into George W - "You're either with us or against us". "If you don't support the union then you must be against liberty, social responsibility and fairness". Fuck off, Gordon.

In other news, cavalorn links to a youtube of The Snake by Johnny Rivers, proving that laerad and gwinniegirl were quite right when they said it was identical to the cheery Doctor/ Rose song Love Don't Roam, by Neil Hannon (and Murray Gold), that was in the Christmas special. Second link there's to a fanvid. You might be surprised to learn that I sort of am a Doctor/ Rose shipper - as long as it's Nine/ Rose, and as long as it's an adult relationship that understands that *saving the world is more important*. (Yes, I detested Ten/ Rose.) Love Don't Roam is available for legal download, should you wish to join us in trying to get a Who song into the top 40 now that downloads count.

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strange_complex
Jan. 13th, 2007 03:00 pm (UTC)
because it would mean he wouldn't get to be UK PM

While I get that it would cause some inconvenience for him, and this is the main way the story's being interpreted in the media, I'm also sure that another 'safe' constituency would be found for him in England if it really came to the crunch.
pickwick
Jan. 13th, 2007 03:14 pm (UTC)
It would depend how it all worked, I suppose. Do you have to be a British citizen to stand for Parliament? Would he have to become an English citizen to stand for an English parliament, then? And there would be a major backlash - they'd have to find a very, very, very safe constituency if they wanted to do that, because there would be a huge campaign against it.
strange_complex
Jan. 13th, 2007 03:51 pm (UTC)
Ah, good point - I hadn't thought about his citizen status. Although maybe if a change as major as separation was really carried out, people would have to be offered the choice to decide to take up citizenship in what remained of Britain if they wanted to?
burkesworks
Jan. 13th, 2007 07:44 pm (UTC)
Do you have to be a British citizen to stand for Parliament?

Not sure... there have certainly been a couple of New Zealanders (Sir Trevor Skeete and Bryan Gould) and a Dutchman (Rudi Vis) who have been Westminster MPs, though no idea whether they also held British nationality at the time.
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pickwick
Jan. 13th, 2007 03:17 pm (UTC)
I'd actually kind of forgotten that I didn't mind Nine/ Rose, because I'd become so anti Rose in general :D
dakegra
Jan. 13th, 2007 10:26 pm (UTC)
well, I had cake, but no coffee. I did have wagamama noodles though!
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pickwick
Jan. 15th, 2007 05:27 pm (UTC)
Yeah. The actress is Billie Piper - she's only been in a few acting things and I don't think any of them have been shown in America apart from Who, but she was briefly a pop star about five years ago :) (Probably not in America either, mind you.)

There have been two doctors since the series re-started, and that's the first one. Cos I like him better :) There wasn't an explicit romance between them in the show, but there were lots of subtexty bits. The doctor in that video is number Nine in the whole show (the character can regenerate into different people) and the one who plays him now (in this icon) is Ten.
donbert
Jan. 14th, 2007 08:55 am (UTC)
On Scottish independence, I was always strongly against it feeling there was no grounds for it beyond ancient grudges.

Until, that is, I heard this Radio 4 programme...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/document/document_20060130.shtml

This detailed Treasury documents newly released under the 30-year rule, hich showed how worried the goivernment was about the possibility of losing the oil revenue if Scotland left the union, at a time when it would have crippled England's economy. The dirty tricks hinted at in those documents turned me into a (soft) Nationalist I'm afraid.

Sadly, My MP is a complete government stooge, never having voted against the party line even *once* since 1997 and has the traditional industrial-area tendency to vote for the Labour candidate because their familys have always voted labour. Fortunately we have a form of PR in Scotland, so my vote won't be completely wasted.
pickwick
Jan. 15th, 2007 05:29 pm (UTC)
Ugh. Yeah, the documents are pretty shocking. And most people still believe that Scotland is and has always been propped up by England financially.

The Speaker's my MP, so he does less than nothing :S
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