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loveandgarbage points out that the government have started an e-petitions site.

"Petitions have long been sent to the Prime Minister by post or delivered to the Number 10 door in person. You can now both create and sign petitions on this website too, giving you the opportunity to reach a potentially wider audience and to deliver your petition directly to Downing Street."

Hurrah! They're being a bit over-run with petitions at the moment, but I'm sure it'll soon calm down. So far, I've signed:

Don't introduce ID cards
Do something to help out first-time house buyers (got a bit of a personal interest in this one, yes.)
Legalise cannabis
Ban faith schools and the teaching as fact of creationism
In every election, include a binding "None of the above, re-open nominations" option on the ballot (and if we did this, I'd also make voting compulsary)
Support nuclear non-proliferation by not replacing Trident
Stand on your head and juggle ice cream.

A post on my flist about women's breasts and how it's quite natural for men to look at them occasionally, especially if they're in a low-cut top, has attracted many irate women and many accusations of comment whoring. Which confused me, because I...mostly agreed with the post. Again, I seem to be different from "normal" women. *whines* I just don't understand women, mostly. Argh. Not to worry...



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Nov. 16th, 2006 06:16 pm (UTC)
Hee. See, now I have bad images of men only covering as much of their crotch area as women sometimes cover of their breast area. Well, it's only bad images in some cases, obviously...
(no subject) - tanngrisnir - Nov. 16th, 2006 06:56 pm (UTC) - Expand
Nov. 16th, 2006 04:20 pm (UTC)
Yes, but if you were a "normal" woman I wouldn't get on with you half so well. :-)
Nov. 16th, 2006 06:17 pm (UTC)
True :) I would have entirely different friends as a "normal" woman, and that'd be bad...
(no subject) - miss_next - Nov. 16th, 2006 06:22 pm (UTC) - Expand
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Nov. 16th, 2006 04:20 pm (UTC)
Being different to 'normal' women is no bad thing to be honest. Let's face it, while no man has the right to touch a woman, nor to make her feel uncomfortable if he can avoid doing so, women have to take resposibility for the (where they are reasonable) reactions they get to the way they choose to dress. I regularly go out in a corset that gives me more than a little cleavage and it'd never occur to me to get upset at a guy looking at it. If I wasn't comfortable with it being looked at, I wouldn't put it out there. First time one commented inappropriately/stared too long or otherwise went over the invisible social line I'd be happy to tear him a new one of course...
Nov. 16th, 2006 04:23 pm (UTC)
Hrm... I'm not sure that came across how I meant it, and I'm not sure work is the place to try to sort it out in my head ot make it more clear what I meant. I'll just sit here and await a flaming instead ;-)
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Nov. 16th, 2006 04:24 pm (UTC)
Hmmm. I read that post, and I think the problem might not be so much to do with what he said, but how he said it. I was a bit baffled by references to "female breasts" and "female vaginas" in the comment section - what other kind are there? And I don't think he can really use the example of getting his cock out in public to support his argument, it's a completely different thing. But fundamentally, I think he's right, too.
Nov. 16th, 2006 06:22 pm (UTC)
Manboobs! Though, admittedly, I'm not sure I've seen a man with cleavage...

I suppose the tone of the post could have been a bit inflammatory - I was pretty careful with this post to make it "questioning" rather than ranting, and I haven't had the same response he has!
Nov. 16th, 2006 04:48 pm (UTC)
I notice that despite having a vote here (at all elections) I'm not entitled to sign these petitions. Interesting...
Nov. 16th, 2006 06:26 pm (UTC)
Is that because you're not a UK citizen? Not sure how these things work...but that would seem unfair, if you can vote but can't petition.
(no subject) - hfnuala - Nov. 17th, 2006 09:56 am (UTC) - Expand
Nov. 16th, 2006 06:11 pm (UTC)
Stay just as you are!
If some women choose to display their assets fine but they have no right to conplain if some men find the view interesting. (there are some who definately should be banned from doing so) There was one at the hotel where we had the wedding, covered with bling to half way up her boobs and looking like she could have done with having the barnicles scraped off her bottom, Yuck!
Nov. 16th, 2006 06:35 pm (UTC)
Re: Stay just as you are!
I fully support women's right to show of their boobs, I guess it just seems like hypocrisy to me to then complain that people are looking at them :)
Re: Stay just as you are! - magda_vogelsang - Nov. 16th, 2006 07:21 pm (UTC) - Expand
Re: Stay just as you are! - burkesworks - Nov. 16th, 2006 07:40 pm (UTC) - Expand
Re: Stay just as you are! - luckykaa - Nov. 16th, 2006 07:46 pm (UTC) - Expand
Re: Stay just as you are! - magda_vogelsang - Nov. 16th, 2006 08:53 pm (UTC) - Expand
Re: Stay just as you are! - tanngrisnir - Nov. 19th, 2006 04:58 pm (UTC) - Expand
Re: Stay just as you are! - magda_vogelsang - Nov. 20th, 2006 04:02 am (UTC) - Expand
Nov. 16th, 2006 07:19 pm (UTC)
Women's breasts in a low-cut top
They can't have it both ways!! Either they're on display, or they aren't... you can't show your knockers off and then expect people not to look, that's just mad.
Nov. 16th, 2006 10:56 pm (UTC)
Re: Women's breasts in a low-cut top
That's what I thought, but a lot of women seem to expect it :S
Re: Women's breasts in a low-cut top - magda_vogelsang - Nov. 20th, 2006 04:06 am (UTC) - Expand
Nov. 16th, 2006 09:43 pm (UTC)
Hmm, make voting compulsory. You know that won't fly, there is no way to force folk to vote when they don't want to. DO you propose jailing folk if they don't vote? Possibly a large fine which may then put them in a financially untenable position.

If it worked a large portion of folk are likely to react by all filling in the "None of the above, re-open nominations" for no other reason then to piss off the government for making them do this. Trust me, if i was forced to vote this is the method of protest i'd use. Then we'd have politicians being told to go away with no relevance beyond pique of folk having to respond to a right wing policy.
Nov. 16th, 2006 11:14 pm (UTC)
It's just a question of people's attitudes. One argument is that voting is a civil duty, like paying tax. No reason why compulsory voting wouldn't be accepted - it's in place in many countries just now and works fine. Belgium initiated it in 1892, and Australia in 1915... It's not really compulsory voting anyway, it's just compulsory attendance at the voting station. You can still spoil your ballot if you feel the need to protest. It encourages people to be less politically apathetic, and it makes it much harder for the government to dissuade or prevent people from voting, as the Republicans did in 2000.

I'm not 100% sure about it, and I'm reading up about it more, but workability is not one of the problems with it.
Nov. 17th, 2006 09:40 am (UTC)
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