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Torchwood! Best episode yet.

From my comment to torch_wood: Yay! Best episode so far, I think. Still a little bit of dodgy scriptwriting, and some acting (particularly in physical scenes, trying to drag people away and so on) I can't decide whether it's really bad, or just quite real-life and not Hollywood-stunty.

At least two major answers to things I've seen discussed on here - Jack DOES sleep (which I called, yay) and he can drink alcohol. Though he doesn't take big gulps and screws his face up at what looked to be brandy, the big wuss ;) Plus the fact he was on Earth in 1909, although who knows when in his timeline.

Extra: hardly any Owen this week, and not much more Tosh or Ianto. They really haven't got into writing for an ensemble cast yet. Plus, um, I'm going to have to watch it again, because I don't really understand the ending. For some reason Jasmine was going to be the LAST child they took, and the children/fairies would flit about over time at their current number? Did we find out WHY? Seems a bit convenient. Also not sure about the "ooh, they're a bit scary, let's just give up" approach! Oh, and Estelle *totally* knew Jack was her Jack. Edit: also, I thought the flowers were poppies at first, given that it's Remembrance Sunday and the ep had a wartime/ memories theme. And I'm still not quite convinced they weren't - or at least, I think it was left purposely ambiguous.

Also loving the new series of Videogaiden. It's a surrealish (not a typo) videogame show done by actual gamers. Mad Glaswegian gamers, to be precise. A whole half hour, rather than the 10 minutes they had last year, but they fill it out really well. You can watch it on the link above, if you want. Um, it is a liiiiittle bit puerile sometimes, but it's made me laugh more than any half-hour actual comedy show I've seen recently, so yay. It somehow manages to remind me of Victor and Barry, slightly.

Plus I've watched the first 6 eps of Veronica Mars s3, and they're...pretty good, yay. And because I'm watching them at American pace (bittorrent is god), I can join in on the communities and forums and things, which always deepens my understanding of and, usually, love of a series.

I will step away from the computer soon. No, really.

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tanngrisnir
Nov. 12th, 2006 09:18 pm (UTC)
Jack DOES sleep

It's not completely clear that he does. He did close his eyes, but that could have been because of what he was remembering. Lying down does not necessarily mean he was asleep, and his eyes looked open to me in the first shot. He may need to lie down just to rest his muscles.

It's a bit surprising that he has not shagged anyone yet, that we have seen.

Oh, and maybe it was cheap brandy. *I* screw up my face at cheap brandy. ;o)
pickwick
Nov. 12th, 2006 09:26 pm (UTC)
Hmm, I thought he was having a nightmare, rather than remembering. Wasn't he twitching and stuff? But it's an interesting thought.

Fair point about the brandy, though!
tanngrisnir
Nov. 12th, 2006 09:54 pm (UTC)
Yes, he could have been having a nightmare. He could also have been flinching at a terrible memory. My opinion flipped back and forward as I watched it, TBH.

Maybe the brandy was Ianto's Revenge: You kill my girlfriend, you drink cheap rotgut!
gwinniegirl
Nov. 13th, 2006 03:50 am (UTC)
I think the children/fairies thing was a bit too convenient as well. And I was slightly disappointed in Jack for giving her up. But that begs the question: what would he have done to stop them? I suppose they'd have to have given us more background on the fairies, what they wanted and what Jack could have done to stop them. Because they seemed determined to pulverise anyone that so much as looked at Jasmine! But all in all I thought it was good. :-)
pickwick
Nov. 13th, 2006 11:11 am (UTC)
I quite like having stories where they don't win, actually - makes a change from Who. The Doctor would totally have saved her, but...you don't get happy endings all the time in Torchwood. yay.
londonkds
Nov. 13th, 2006 04:23 am (UTC)
It wasn't that Jasmine would be the last child they took, it was part of the threat about destroying the Earth, saying that if they did destroy the planet they were outside time so they could just take kids from earlier eras.
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pickwick
Nov. 13th, 2006 11:12 am (UTC)
Ah. Must have misheard that line somehow. So basically we're giving in to the terrorists, even though they'll just come back and keep making the same demands...hmm. Maybe if we get a few seasons of TW we'll see some repercussions here.
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pickwick
Nov. 13th, 2006 01:15 pm (UTC)
Yep - I definitely like it. I like moral ambiguity, and I like that TW, unlike the Doctor, won't always win.
pickwick
Nov. 13th, 2006 11:09 am (UTC)
Ohhh, I see.
momentsmusicaux
Nov. 13th, 2006 06:28 am (UTC)
Yeah, about his timeline -- HOW?
Okay, so it's never been established that he doesn't have a time machine, but it's a bit big to suddenly make one up for him.
Or does he just have a long lifespan?

(Are we going to find out he's a future incarnation of the Doctor who went crazy and lost his memory...?)
kashandara
Nov. 13th, 2006 09:35 am (UTC)
This ship he has in Doctor Who is a time-ship I believe, and his background from the Dr Who epsiode also covers details of a time travelling nature, but I don't wanna say more than that in case
a/ you haven't seen it or
b/ I'm wrong, a not unusual occurrence.
pickwick
Nov. 13th, 2006 11:14 am (UTC)
He used to have some sort of time-hoppy thing, cos he was from the 25th century but met the Doctor and Rose in 1940-whatever.

And...I dunno how much TW you've watched, but yeah, he probably has a long lifespan, as well.
momentsmusicaux
Nov. 13th, 2006 11:23 am (UTC)
I've had a thought since then -- surely for him to not also be killed on the train, he must have been immortal at the time.
Sadly, Wikipedia disagrees -- apparently the Torchwood website says it was during his conman days.
pickwick
Nov. 13th, 2006 01:18 pm (UTC)
Well, he was involved in a con while he was there, but the letter on the website (I've got the link to it at home, but not here) is kind of ambiguous as to timeline. I don't see any reason why, if after PotW he got dumped in, I dunno, 1899 or something (Hmm, when was Torchwood set up? Tangent. Never mind.) he wouldn't still be pulling cons while trying to support himself, assuming he's stuck on earth.
luckykaa
Nov. 13th, 2006 05:25 pm (UTC)
Confused rambling.
I wonder how much of a timeline they already have. The producers must have decided when Jack arrived back in the past. Presumably he joined Torchwood because he felt that was his best hope of finding the Doctor. Quite what he wants and why the hand is so important is probably going to be a mystery for a while.

If he's good at being a conman then I'm sure he'd use that to support himself. In Empty child he seemed a lot more interested in alien technology than diamonds.

(and here's the letter if anyone needs it)
momentsmusicaux
Nov. 14th, 2006 12:17 pm (UTC)
Re: Confused rambling.
Ew. The handwriting looks totally wrong for that time.
redatt
Nov. 14th, 2006 08:31 am (UTC)
He wasn't killed on the train because he wasn't with his men when they got drunk and accidentally killed 'the chosen one', if I understood things correctly. And he's only been immortal (or undead, as I prefer), as far as I can make out, since Tardis!Rose brought him back to life at the end of the first New Who series.
redatt
Nov. 14th, 2006 08:35 am (UTC)
... he has that yellow, just hugged by the Heart of Tardis, glow when he resurrects.
poliphilo
Nov. 13th, 2006 07:23 am (UTC)
I'm afraid this was the episode that tipped things for me. I've been giving Torchwood the benefit of the doubt, but this decided me. It's just not working.

We've faced down Daleks and Cyberpersons, but a bunch of weedy fairies is just too much for us. Yeah right. The Doctor would have found a way.

The writing is weak, the actors are either crap or (Burn Gorman) wasted. There's no chemistry. But I'll go on watching (because I'm a fervent Whovian) and hope that somewhere down the line (maybe in time for season 2) someone gives it a good shaking.

pickwick
Nov. 13th, 2006 11:16 am (UTC)
The Doctor would have found a way, but...I like that Torchwood doesn't find a way to win every single time. The Doctor can do that, but if TW (and TW3, at that, a minor base for the organisation) can do it as well, that makes the Doctor less special.

But then, I think fairies are scarier than Cyberpersons, anyway. Too much reading proper old fairy stories, I guess.
kashandara
Nov. 13th, 2006 11:38 am (UTC)
Absolutely! I was so happy that there were 'real' faeries and that they didn't cop out and make them be some sort of aliens. Very satisfying...
pickwick
Nov. 13th, 2006 01:19 pm (UTC)
Yeah! Heh, I never really thought of that, but they did make them just unexplained fairy things. In the shadows. And that made them freakier than, say, werewolf guy who was actually an alien.
kashandara
Nov. 13th, 2006 11:42 am (UTC)
I think a lot of the action seems feeling odd is indeed because we're too used to overdone unrealistic hollywood stuff. I thought the bit where they dragged the mother back looked really ... well ... real I guess, not choreographed at least.
pickwick
Nov. 13th, 2006 01:21 pm (UTC)
I definitely thought that about the chase scene in Ghost Machine, which is why I wondered it about the scenes in this. I think they probably are just realistic.
glamhag
Nov. 13th, 2006 03:48 pm (UTC)
Your icon actually made me LOL.
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