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So we keep hearing about how it's Totally Racist for Scottish people (or Welsh or Irish, I guess) to support Anyone But England in the World Cup. We should all support England cos they're, like, our next-door neighbours. When Alex Salmond or Andy Murray mention in passing that they might not support England, they get a pasting from the English press.

But apparently it's Absolutely Fine for a national British news programme to say:

Now for England fans, the only good news so far in the World Cup is that France are doing even worse.

Because things that are racist when you say them about the English aren't racist when you say them about the French, one assumes.

(C4 News - you'll be able to see it on 4OD in a bit.)


Jun. 21st, 2010 09:48 pm (UTC)
To be fair, the area you grew up in wasn't so much "racist" as "You're not from round here, are you-ist".

I took an ungodly amount of shit in the same areas (Hi - grew up in Galston) because I'd learned to speak by the time my parents moved there when I was 4 and had a Glaswegian accent.

As for the Football, I live in Lancashire at the moment and it's notable just how many people round here are abstaining from support because the national team is perceived as being a bunch of southerners. There's a sort of amusement about the whole "Support Scotland or whoever's playing against England", but given that Man U and Man City are local boys round here it's quite possible they just figure they have larger fish than a mere national team to look to.
Jun. 21st, 2010 10:01 pm (UTC)
Galston eh - know it well. Grew up in Darvel.
Jun. 21st, 2010 10:12 pm (UTC)
I know. You had a bit of a reputation for excessive exothermicity when I was at school - I was the year below you :)
Jun. 22nd, 2010 09:27 am (UTC)
Ah yes, I did do some silly things back then, Mostly involving highly flammable solvents in the chemistry lab I seem to remember. I had no idea my infamy spread beyond the rest of the CSYS class though. Ah memories.

So now you have tweaked my curiosity, I feel I ought to know you but I can't figure it out from your profile?
Jun. 22nd, 2010 03:15 pm (UTC)
Paul Brown - no idea how to describe myself in a memorable fashion - I tended to hide quite a lot due to being bullied quite a bit. Was a 5th year prefect when you were in the 6th, not that that narrows it down much at Loudoun. Your fame spread due to the Chemistry department teachers, specifically Mr's Clark and McVeigh using you as a warning to the lower years :)
Jun. 22nd, 2010 03:28 pm (UTC)
Ah in that case, I don't remember you, sorry.

I had no idea I left a reputation behind. We did do some crazy stuff in the 6th year chem lab now I think about it. Mostly involving fireballs and small explosions.
Jun. 22nd, 2010 03:32 pm (UTC)
Ooh, I didn't realise you guys were at Loudon. My mum taught there for a while, though I can't remember when! (Mrs Black, French, and the only people I've met who were taught by her were a bit cryptic about her reputation ;))
Jun. 22nd, 2010 03:57 pm (UTC)
Not a name I recall which may or may not be a good thing :)
Jun. 22nd, 2010 02:49 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I had a funny name and liked to ready books (Troon). Everyone gets it in Ayrshire.
Jun. 22nd, 2010 03:17 pm (UTC)
Ain't that the truth!

I think the mentality can be demonstrated by a bit of TV coverage when the unions managed to cause Massey Ferguson to pull out of Kilmarnock making several hundred people redundant.

"We closed the bastards. We won"


I like Lancashire. It's not Ayrshire.
Jun. 22nd, 2010 03:39 pm (UTC)
See, I missed most of the trouble in Ayrshire - I grew up pretty protected in middle-class Troon, and I started hanging about with people from Dundonald when I was about 12 so the casuals didn't bother me at school. But I know a lot of people who did have problems. Loads of my year seem to have stayed in Troon, and I just can't imagine doing that, though.
Jun. 22nd, 2010 03:58 pm (UTC)
You never came across a Scott Brown did you? My little brother who tended to schlep around Troon quite a bit and is about ages with you.
Jun. 22nd, 2010 04:34 pm (UTC)
The name rings a bell, but there were LOADS of Scotts around about my age, so I'm not sure, really.
Jun. 22nd, 2010 09:04 pm (UTC)
"To be fair, the area you grew up in wasn't so much "racist" as "You're not from round here, are you-ist"."

My formative years in Inverness were the same - made even more unjust by the fact I was from around here, and my Mum's family had been from around here since the beginning of time (Dad moved up from Edinburgh, from Perthshire stock). I have no idea why I have an English accent.


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