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Ah, remember I said the Church had managed to do something right, and uphold the appointment of a gay minister? The world has gone back to normal - they've screwed it up again. In a debate on sexuality in the church today, they've decided to have a two-year ban on any more gay ministers being appointed, while they set up yet another commission on the matter. (The first commission was in 1994 - I think they keep coming back with the wrong answers.)

The Reverend Angus Morrison told elders and fellow ministers that the special commission would best serve the "peace and unity" of the church.

Well, in as much as it puts off the issue for another two years. Pity it doesn't serve, you know, justice or equality or anything like that.

In the meantime, they've told their members not to discuss the issue with the media, because as we all know, if you don't talk about it, it goes away.

The measure met with an angry reaction from the Reverend Alec Shuttleworth, who compared it to MPs who like to "blame the media" for the current expenses row.

Hurray for Alec! I was round at his house for pre-Christmas mince pies and snacks last year, somewhat randomly, so I'm glad I approve of his stance on the matter.

I'm not sure what'll happen now - whether the issue will actually go away again, or whether it'll rumble on in letters pages and presbytery meetings for two years. They're going to have to make a decision eventually. Maybe they're hoping some of the hard-liners will die off in the meantime.

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(Anonymous)
May. 26th, 2009 01:15 am (UTC)
I am going to contact Mrs. Ikezawa to tell her I will be taking
off in June.
Are you sure ofurikomi will be made either tomorrow or the day after tomorrow?
Beacuase the otherwiese, I will be in troble.
(Anonymous)
May. 26th, 2009 02:03 am (UTC)
Can I buy a bilingul computer in Hawaii?
(Anonymous)
May. 26th, 2009 02:05 am (UTC)
Letter sizeくらいのノートを買って、持って行ったほうがいい?
(Anonymous)
May. 26th, 2009 02:05 am (UTC)
Or even smaller one, becuse it's heavy.
(Anonymous)
May. 26th, 2009 02:07 am (UTC)
そうか。別にハワイでコンピューターを買っても日本語は使える?
(Anonymous)
May. 26th, 2009 02:09 am (UTC)
It's just keybord function?
(Anonymous)
May. 26th, 2009 02:10 am (UTC)
If I don't want to carry around heavy computer, it's better to buy one in Hawaii?
(Anonymous)
May. 26th, 2009 02:11 am (UTC)
小さいの日本で買って持ってゆく?
(Anonymous)
May. 26th, 2009 03:11 am (UTC)
はがきで連絡したほうがいいかも。
(Anonymous)
May. 26th, 2009 03:12 am (UTC)
電話?
(Anonymous)
May. 26th, 2009 05:39 am (UTC)
You've used internet banking.
dave_t_lurker
May. 26th, 2009 07:55 am (UTC)
You get all the interesting random anon comments!
pisica
May. 26th, 2009 08:43 am (UTC)
Aw, I assumed there was an insightful debate going on in the comment section!
luckykaa
May. 26th, 2009 09:01 am (UTC)
Going through Google translate, it appears this is a conversation about whether to buy a computer in Japan for an upcoming Hawaii trip or get one in Hawaii.

Which I think is an important debate to have in an arbitrary LJ.
pisica
May. 26th, 2009 09:38 am (UTC)
Now, if it were a debate about whether *a gay Church of Scotland minister* should buy a computer in Japan or Hawaii....
pickwick
May. 26th, 2009 01:29 pm (UTC)
*boggles*
pickwick
May. 26th, 2009 01:28 pm (UTC)
I assumed there was a fight going on in my absence :D
pickwick
May. 26th, 2009 01:27 pm (UTC)
I do! I'm quite pleased with this crop!
(Anonymous)
May. 26th, 2009 08:13 am (UTC)
「仕事とプライベートが忙しくて、あまり時間がとれない状態なのでした。6月に休暇で旅行に出かけようと考えていますが、まだ詳しい予定が決まっていなかったので、ご連絡が遅くなってしまいました。

7月の中旬くらいから、お稽古にお伺いさせて戴きます。5月の3回目は7月に繰越しさせて戴いて宜しいですか。


って書けばいい?
(Anonymous)
May. 26th, 2009 08:14 am (UTC)
自分のせいで、私がやる気をなくしたと思っている?
(Anonymous)
May. 26th, 2009 08:14 am (UTC)
聞かれたらハワイに行くって言ってもいい?
(Anonymous)
May. 26th, 2009 08:38 am (UTC)
だって、ああいうセレブ系?の草月の男性の先生たちを見てると、草月では異端扱いされてるし、実力も経験もたいしたことなくても、they know how to produce themselves to be favored by media and mass.
つまり、そういうのを見ると、時代が明らかに違っていて、私の場合、女性ということで、日本にはそのチャンスはなくて、NYでは、そういうチャンスもあるということについて、いろいろと考えてしまったりする。
それに、いけばなだけじゃなくて、cookingとかいろいろなことやりたい。
だから、将来を考えて、自分の夢を描けないことに情熱と時間とお金をつぎ込むことに疑問を感じている。
(Anonymous)
May. 26th, 2009 08:39 am (UTC)
But I would rather keep learning Ikebana, as it may help me someday.
pisica
May. 26th, 2009 08:42 am (UTC)
Maybe they're hoping some of the hard-liners will die off in the meantime.

I doubt it. Pure evil keeps people alive forever.

I had to return some books to the New College Library, but there weren't any obvious bigots (i.e. anyone holding up 'Adam and Steve' placards) so I refrained from shouting.
pickwick
May. 26th, 2009 01:31 pm (UTC)
I doubt it. Pure evil keeps people alive forever.

Seemingly true, that. I wonder how many commissions they can set up before they have to make a decision.
(Anonymous)
May. 26th, 2009 08:50 am (UTC)
で、いけばなはNYのゲイの草月の先生に習う?
(Anonymous)
May. 26th, 2009 08:51 am (UTC)
いけばな、どうしよ。
お料理は、ロンドンにるいるいといるときに、パリやロンドンで習えばいい。
(Anonymous)
May. 26th, 2009 08:53 am (UTC)
Just to get advanced license, should I take lessons from master instructor in Hawaii?
luckykaa
May. 26th, 2009 08:55 am (UTC)
I think that's pretty much it.

My guess is that most people genuinely don't care that much. There are just a few hardliners (usually the older members). Unfortunately the ones that do care are the ones with votes in the general assembly.

There's a very real chance that the debate would lead to a long term ban on gay ministers. This isn't the best outcome, but it's probably the most practical in political terms. This way the church has two years to demonstrate their gay poster child and how the church hasn't collapsed as a result.
pisica
May. 26th, 2009 09:41 am (UTC)
Yeah, kind of like how resistance in Massachusetts broke down when people realized the universe didn't end AND those two really nice young men next door shoveled her driveway when it snowed.
pickwick
May. 26th, 2009 01:34 pm (UTC)
Now I have mental images of gay couples going bob-a-jobbing round Church of Scotland elders' houses. Hee.
pisica
May. 26th, 2009 02:28 pm (UTC)
'Those horrible nasty gay people! They MULCHED MY LAWN!'
pickwick
May. 26th, 2009 01:32 pm (UTC)
Yeah, that's the impression I get. Even in the General Assembly, about half of the attendees abstained and the pro-gays still won the vote on Saturday, so that was encouraging.

I suppose this is better than an outright ban, yes!
(Anonymous)
May. 26th, 2009 08:55 am (UTC)
この件については、ほんとにどうすればよいのか、わかんない。
NYだったら、誰に習えばいいか、わかるけど。
つまり、いけばなを続けるって難しいかも。
(Anonymous)
May. 26th, 2009 08:57 am (UTC)
もうすぐ2級師範のライセンスがとれるから、それはとろう。
(Anonymous)
May. 26th, 2009 08:59 am (UTC)
ハワイで他の先生に習う?
pmoodie
May. 26th, 2009 09:17 am (UTC)
Woah! The spambots have you in their sights! O_O

Churches seem determined to prove themselves completely irrelevant to life in the 21st century, don't they?
pickwick
May. 26th, 2009 01:35 pm (UTC)
I have the best spambots. I think I'm going to keep these ones. They're cute. "It's nice that RuiRui is happy to see the boobs," indeed!

Yep, and alienate as many people as possible, to keep their congregations falling fast.
(Anonymous)
May. 26th, 2009 10:13 am (UTC)
たしかに、よく見ると、みんなシリコンのきれいなおっぱい。
やっぱり細くておっぱいだけ大きい、しかも形がきれいって、
結局、そういうことなのよね~
(Anonymous)
May. 26th, 2009 10:13 am (UTC)
It's nice that RuiRui is happy to see the boobs.
(Anonymous)
May. 26th, 2009 10:44 am (UTC)
いきなりプッチのfabricでドレスをつくるなんて。
weeklyだから、2か月くらいかければ作れるかも?
(Anonymous)
May. 30th, 2009 06:21 pm (UTC)
Church of scotland debate
I'm very interested in the fact that

a: you enjoyed a mince pie at my house last year, randomly

b: you are able to support the stance I took

c: you actually know what I think about the whole thing.

all of which is great if consfusing, because I can't work out who you are.
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